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Post by Admin on Sept 19, 2018 20:39:31 GMT
Elliot Rodger, Isla Vista Shooter 2014 I had intended to write an article about this, from when I first joined. But I've always been tied up. So here now, with the first book I know of that deals with Rodgers, I will make this thread. Expanding from: Incels (Involuntary Celibates) www.tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=56750Vocels (Voluntary Celibates) www.tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=60517OT: Are Traditional Colleges and Universities Bad Environments? www.tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=50664Alternative Educations www.tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=60271While being yourself in a profession isn't always possible , it certainly is to a greater extent than most ppl realize. www.tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=59962Stop holding doors for us if you don't want to talk about ending rape culture as much as wanna talk about other political issues www.tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=59977So What Do Women Like To Read? www.tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=60599So when the Rodger incident first occurred, I looked at in in light of: Rampage: The Social Roots of School Shootings (2004) by Katherine S. Newman www.amazon.com/Rampage-Social-Roots-School-Shootings/dp/0465051049Her thesis is that the high school shootings never happen in urban schools, but only in these suburban or exurban white monocular schools. And the idea is that though the urban schools have a higher crime rate and a higher level of guns, they are also more socially open. Everyone can find a niche. Whereas in the monoculture schools, they can be extremely repressive. I don't know that Newman is saying that the monoculture causes the shootings, but rather that it is just in these types of schools that tensions can go to shootings. So my view is that UC, at least some of the campuses, is also that way. And the primary indicator of this potential is that most of the students come from very well off families and are being supported by their parents, and they do not have any employment and so their identities are entirely rooted in the school. So the places which would be far less like this are CSU and our Community Colleges. And I discussed this at length with someone who was a counselor of students at CSU Fresno. He was also highly involved in Latino progressive politics. Okay, so now in front of me is The Wiley Handbook on Violence in Education: Forms, Factors, and Preventions www.amazon.com/Wiley-Handbook-Violence-Education-Preventions/dp/1118966678/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1537388568&sr=1-1&keywords=wiley+handbook+on+violence+in+educationAnd Ralph W. Larkin has written a chapter on Elliot Rodger Larkin is at John Jay College of Criminal Justice , which is in Manhattan. He had previously written about Columbine and about Suburban Youth issues. To Be Continued SJG Everything for everyone : the radical tradition that is shaping the next economy / Nathan Schneider. (2018) Antifa : the anti-fascist handbook / Mark Bray (2017sj) |
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Post by Admin on Sept 19, 2018 21:01:22 GMT
So Larkin does not criticize the University of California, or the specific culture at the Santa Barbara campus. Rather he sees the whole thing as just being the outflow of the Columbine incident, and as being driven by the political right, and this being centered on the National Rifle Association.
Ostensibly promoting gun ownership rights, the NRA is actually promoting violence and hate.
Larkin chronicles all that Elliot wrote and said in his videos. But he does not see UC or its culture as having any role. Or if he does see such, he does not talk about it.
I agree with Larkin that it is from the right, focused through the NRA. But I also feel that this could not have happened at a CSU or a Community College. There you have a broader racial and socio-economic mix of students, the average age is older, most are employed part time and so they have a broader base for their social identity.
I also see now a much larger degree of culpability for the father Peter Rodger.
But before I go into all of this, I want to first capture some of this, "Wiley Handbook On Violence In Education" (2018)
To Be Continued
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Post by Admin on Sept 19, 2018 21:40:05 GMT
So let me first try to give some sense of the book. It talks about all aspects of violence in education. From the back cover: "Explores the many forms of school violence including physical, verbal, linquistic, social, legal, religious, political, structural, and symbolic violence. Reveals violence in education's stratified nature in order to achieve a deeper understanding of the problem Demonstrates how violence in education is deeply situated in schools, communities, nad the broader society and culture. " And I would just add to this my own feelings that in many colleges you have these impacted programs which are extremely competitive. There are many students who wash out. And then there are others who are not in but are fighting to get in. It is very hard, and really it is not fair. People just want an education, but never are their starting places anything but equal. I have always knows that many are harmed by this. And it pretty much does require a voluntary commitment to celibacy and poverty. So now I want to capture some of the book's references: It mentions Emmanuel Levinas, Mentions H. Giroux And then specifically with the Ralph W. Larkin chapter we have: Connell, R. W. 2005, "Masculinities". Ehrenreich, Barbara. 1983, "Hearts of Men: American Dreams and the Flight from Commitment". Elgin, Peter and Hester, Stephen. 2003. "Montreal Massacre: A Story of Membership Categorization Analysis". Faludi, Susan. 1999. "Stiffed: The Betrayal Of The American Man". Fast, Jonathan. 2008. "Ceremonial Violence: A Psychological Explanation of School Shootings". James William Gibson Warrior Dreams: Violence and Manhood in Post-Vietnam America (1994) Kellner, Douglas Guys and Guns Amok (2008) Kimmel, Michael S. 1996 "Manhood in America". Langman, Peter. 2009. "Why Kids Kill: Inside the Minds of School Shooters". schoolshooters.info/sites/default/files/rodger_personality_analysis_1.1.pdfwww.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/keeping-kids-safe/201405/elliot-rodger-psychotic-psychopathIs it UCSB or UCSTD? dailynexus.com/2011-11-01/ucsb-ucstd/That's probably enough for the references. Now let me go to some quotes. To Be Continued SJG |
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Post by Admin on Sept 19, 2018 22:00:46 GMT
So from the Ralph W. Larkin chapter:
"before the 1970's school shootings were extremely rare" pg 69
"that such perpetrators are mentally ill obscures the fact that however mentally deranged a given rampage shooter is, he is acting out a cultural script that has influenced him to become a rampage shooter." pg 70.
"rampage shooters attempt to 'out masculine' those whose predatory behavior they were avenging. However, rarely were the actual perpetrators targeted."
"one of the aspects of American exceptionalism has been the association of masculinity with guns, violence, and independence, which were identified with the Western frontier. Masculinity is a homosocial performance (Connell 2005); that is, one's masculinity is judged by other men."
"right-wing rants."
"motivation ... 'aggrieved entitlement'"
"sense of entitlement"
"How did he come to the point where he could blame others, specifically women, for his troubled state of existence"? pg 71.
To Be Continued
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Post by Admin on Sept 19, 2018 22:16:44 GMT
"Rampage shooters become clut heroes; they engage in extensive planning and interact with virtual communities on the Internet. They often study other rampage shootings, especially Columbine." pg 70.
Of his courses, "kept dropping them because they included pretty girls to whom he was attracted but afraid to approach, or they were attended by couples showing affection to each other."
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Post by Admin on Sept 19, 2018 22:42:55 GMT
"raised mostly in Topanga Canyon, one of the most hip, affluent, New Age communities in the Los Angeles area... countercultural vibe..." pg 73
"He attended red carpet ceremonies for movie premieres, which reinforced his believe that wealth, beauty, and sexuality are closely associated."
Father Rodger described Elliot as "an enigma to the family - distant, remote, unknowable".
"described him as the most withdrawn individual he had ever met."
"He hated other boys who were more athletic and sociable, and most especially as he got older, who were sexually active."
"Elliot was painfully aware of his inability to achieve in traditional masculine activities.... thin and small of stature... practiced basketball shootings for hours on end in the hopes that playing basketball would make him taller ( Elliot Rodger Manifesto 2014)."
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Post by Admin on Sept 19, 2018 23:13:47 GMT
"bullied in school" pg 74
"occupied Elliot's consciousness were class and gender"
"he railed against women who were attracted to men who wore T-shirts and cut off jeans. His concept of gentleman was also meant to separte him from the 'brutes' that teased and harassed him with seualized comments like 'faggot'."
"In all the traditional masculine expectations, he was decidedly a loser."
"However, because of his inherited social status, he had convinced himself that he was 'choose'; he was destined for greatness and celebrity. He felt he was entitled to be admired by men and loved by women."
"A third social category that bedeviled Elliot Rodger was race, which was also tied to class, sexual status, and masulinity."
"Topanga Canyon, was one of the last remaining bastions of the 1960's cunterculture, and was at the forefront of the sexual revolution in the 1970s."
"in his entire narrative, he never describes an instance where he attempted to initiate a conversation with a woman. Repeatedly he hung out at malls, in eatieries and college cafeterias, on campus quads, and took long walks hoping to meet up with a woman." pg 76
"incel"
"conflicts with men over sexuality"
"no episode where he describes a woman insulting, taunting, harassing, or rejecting him."
"kissless virgin"
"bitterly lamented his isolation, loneliness, lack of love, and virginity"
"World of Warcraft"
"designer clothes"
"I am Elliot Rodger ... Magnificent, glorious, supreme, eminent ... Divine! I am the closest thing there is toa living god ( Manifesto )"
"Women had something wrong with them because they were attracted to stupid athletic men."
"actual relations with women were nonexistent."
"concept of women emerged from several sources: corporate media. especially the film industry, Internet chat rooms with like-minded males, and the computer game World of Warcraft."
Stopped playing WoW:
"the evils of the world had now followed me there. I say people bragging online about their sexual experiences with girls ... and they used the term "virgin" as an insult to people who were more immersed in the game than them." pg 77
"Feminist WoW gamer Angela Washko stated, "I have found that most of the servers that I have participated in ... are overwhelmingly misogynistic, homophobic and racist"
^^^^^ I was shocked by how much TUSCL was like this when I first joined. But it is getting better now.
"Anita Sarkeesian, a feminist critic of computer games, noted that in video games, sexualized female bodies are portrayed as playthings for males and victims of male violence. Because of her criticism of the sexism of such games, she has been subject to numerious threats of rape and murder by her detractors."
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Post by Admin on Sept 19, 2018 23:34:21 GMT
"puahate.com pickup artist hate. ... young men who were sexually inexperienced and who expressed hostility toward sexually active heterosexuals. ... express his misogynistic and misanthropic opinions and receive support from like-minded males. ... express his hatred against women ... Elliot's computer history revealed a fascination with Nazis and the Third Reich ( Sheriffs )."
"Not just any woman was good enough fro Elliot Rodger. The term 'beautiful blonde' occurs repeatedly in his narrative. She must be beautiful by Hollywood standards. Excluded ... characteristics ... sense of humor, intelligence, compassion, caring.... She is a trophy that Elliot wants to be seen in public with to validate his masculinity." pg 78
"Realized that I would be a virgin forever, condemned to suffer rejection and humiliation at the hands of women because they don't fancy me, because their sexual attractions are flawed. ( Manifesto )"
"first tried Megamillions lottery... Powerball lottery ... drove to Arizona ... 350 miles ... $700 on tickets ... fell into a deep depression ... life was going to end in his Day of Retribution."
"he concluded that women did not have the intelligence to choose a proper mate. He, as a superior being, should be allocated that right."
"Women should not have the right to choose who to mate with. .... made for them by civilized men of intelligence ... they would breed wtih stupid degenerate men, which would only produce stupid, degererate offspring. ... hinder the advance of humanity. ... devolve humanity completely. Women are like a plague that must be quarantined...( Manifesto )" page 78 of text
"The fundamental contradictions in Elliot's life between social status and masculinity percolated into an ideology in which 'civilized' men such as he practice eugenics in the betterment of the human race. ... In his fantasy, social class trumps masculine performance. Women become the passive instruments of masculine dominance, just as in WoW." pg 78
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Post by Admin on Sept 19, 2018 23:43:39 GMT
"I started to hve the desire to create a world where no one is allowed to have sex or relationships. . Reproduction can be accomplished without sex, through artificial insemination. Sex is evel, as it gives too much pleasure to those who don't deserve it." (Manifesto page 65, text page 79)
"something inherently wrong in the human species .... 'I will truly be a powerful god, punishing everyone I deem to be impure and depraved" (Manifestro page 135, text page 79)
Elliot, like Columbine shooter Eric Harris, assumes God-Like Status.
"Both Harris and Rodger were fascinated by Nazi ideology and the concept of a Superman dictating to the masses ( Sherrifs)" pg 79
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Post by Admin on Sept 20, 2018 0:13:13 GMT
pure and civilized ... The human race will evolve to an entirely new level of civilization, completely devoid of all the impurity and degeneracy that exists today.
In order to completely abolish sex, women themselves would have to be abolished ... The first strike gainst women will be to quarantine all of them in concentration camps. At these camps, the vast majority of the female population will be deliberately starved to death ... I would have an enormous tower built just for myself, where I can oversee the entire concentration camp and gleefully watch them all die. *If I can't have them, no one will,* I'd imagine thinking to myself as I oversee this. Women represent everything that is unfair with this world, and in order to make the world a fair place, they must all be eradicated. ( Manifesto page 136, emphasis in the original )" text page 79
"Because rampage shootings occur in venues usually not associated with violence, such as schools, shopping malls, and churches, they tend to violate the hegemonic ideology that violence is associated with minorities and urban areas."
"senseless" "While running loops of hte most sensational footage" "declare the perpetrators mentally ill"
" why nearly all male? why mostly young Amrericans? emerged as a social problem since the 1980s?"
"raised in a highly sexualized and class-conscious atmosphere in which sex, beauty, race, and money were highly valorized. .... Clear from Manifesto that Elliot incorporated those aspects into his consciousness."
"So what did we learn...? First, we learned that he was socially identified as a 'loser' as an American male."
"Borrowing from right-wing misogynist ideologies, he dame to define women as stupid, dangerious, and exclusionary." page 80
"The Columbine shootings, ... extensive media coverage, ... made it obligatory for would-be rampage shooters to communicate their motives to the media." pg 81
"Elliot Rodger was typical of post-Columbine rampage shooters: he played first-person shooter video games, and chatted with like-minded individuals on websites that promulgated authoritarian and misogynist ideologies. He bought guns and ammunition with money supplied to him by his parents and meticulously planned his rampage." pg 81
"The subcultures of hate provide teh scrips for rampages; here in the United States, the gun lobby provides them the wherewithal. In America, anyone who is contemplating a shooting rampage can go to the Internet to learn how it is done, receive encouragement from like-minded individuals, and easily purchase high-powered weaponry. In the words of the Nike commercial stolen from the youth movement of the 1960's, they can "Just do it!"
"attacks on social institutions ... politicized crime, primarily supported and abetted by right-wing hate groups, violent subcultures, and the gun lobby. ... major policy difference between the United States and other countries is universal access to guns. Revenge fantasies are featured in the media. On the Internet, frustrated young men can interact with virtual hate communities and learn legitimation for murder." page 82
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Post by Admin on Sept 20, 2018 0:33:39 GMT
"The overwhelming prevalence of mass shootings by men in the United States is due to hypocrisy related to the crisis of masculinity. Certain right-wing hate groups tacityly encourage rampage shootings by vilifying their political opposition, promulgating racist, sexist, anti-Semetic, and antigovernment vies and suggesting that violence is the answer to conflict. To a man they believe in unrestricted access to guns. ... Therefore every few weeks Americans are subjected to another horrific rampage shooting, to which the gun lobby claims that the solution to the problem is to arm more people.
The absurdity of this position fails to pass what jurists refer to as the "straight face test". .. Two armed officers were present at the Columbine massacre, one of whom exchanged fire with Eric Harris. In 2012, New York City police exchanged fire with a shooter in front of the Empire State Building. Nine bystanders were wounded all by police bullets."
"lax gun laws and the proliferation of weaponry"
"The battle to eliminate rampage shootings is difficult because of the strength of the culture of violence, supported by the political right, of which the gun lobby is an integral part. If we want to reduce the incidence of rampage shootings, we must continue to fight for reasonable gun control legislation and enforcement. We must also align ourselves with those individuals and organizations that oppose violence, hate, and an ideology of masculinity as controlling women and violence. We need to support feminist and LGBT organizations that offer a more expansive and peace-oriented view of masculinity. We should promote educational efforts aimed at instituting peaceful conflict resolution, promoting gender equality, preventing bullying,and developing peaceful campuses.
We need to do everything we can within a free society to liimit the power of hate groups that influence alienated young males. On the positve side, we need to make America a more inclusive and egalitarian society, so that fewer young men feel isolated and rejected and feel the need to lash out at a social system that has excluded them. " page 82, end of text
Comments welcome,
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Post by Admin on Oct 3, 2018 22:16:05 GMT
Astrology of Elliot Rodger www.amazon.com/Astrology-Elliot-Rodger-Bianca-Stratford-ebook/dp/B0747NB5LK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1538603494&sr=8-1&keywords=elliot+rodgerComprehending Columbine / Ralph W. Larkin. (2007) www.amazon.com/Comprehending-Columbine-Ralph-Larkin-2007-01-28/dp/B01FIXCS9E/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1538603294&sr=8-2&keywords=Comprehending+Columbine+%2F+Ralph+W.+LarkinHe has a fan club, so disclaimer, I do not go along with this. I love you Elliot Rodgerđź’• www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiLdP9vMP7wMountains of Skulls and Rivers of Blood: Murder He Recorded and Planned..: Utopia, Dystopia, Delusion, Revenge, and Retribution of the Frustrated Virgin www.amazon.com/Mountains-Skulls-Rivers-Blood-Retribution-ebook/dp/B00KJYVXSU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1538603494&sr=8-2&keywords=elliot+rodgerManifesto 137 pages www.documentcloud.org/documents/1173808-elliot-rodger-manifesto.htmlMore videos, alternate POV's? This one is really like a love letter www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq7gwwHX5L4Elliot Supreme Lady, 30 videos and an Elliot Tee-Shirt www.youtube.com/channel/UCpGoqUcII0OcL4TY7j8LZQA/videos?disable_polymer=1Timeline of the rampage www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5DcZ2c9g5kElliot Rodger Vlog www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ywLW37gLpAELLIOT RODGER: MORE THAN A MADMAN ( hot looking girl ) www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPFcspwbrq8&bpctr=1538598635Lacigreen, lots of videos www.youtube.com/channel/UCJm5yR1KFcysl_0I3x-iRegElliot Rodger: Infamy & Obscurity (2014 Isla Vista massacre) by Jordan Owen www.youtube.com/watch?v=E35YR3DGClYWhy don't girls like me? | Elliot Rodger Review www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfwzblyFuggElliot Rodger, An Evil Madman www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdiR7FwdfL4Fox News Guest: Maybe He Killed Because He Was Gay? www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_KHQZqdai8Elliot Rodger Trolled On Bodybuilding Forum www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXltT-UkWp4Incels - The internet's "Supreme Gentlemen" www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0QrI-cW_as&spfreload=5SJG Baker Gurwitz Army www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7GXbGPNY88 |
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Post by Admin on Oct 20, 2018 20:59:08 GMT
So some of these college shootings are occurring in Canada. But overall, senseless spree shoots have become emblematic of the United States.
When I was married there were many discussions about this phenomenon. I explained that the first thing to understand is that these incidents are suicides. The shooter expects to die. Their own death, and the making of a statement of some sort, are the real motivation.
So these had been at Post Offices. I remember now about a year ago there was one at the UPS building in San Francisco. There was one in Cupertino at a Concrete Quarry, where the entire City was under lockdown for the entire night.
So I learn that high schools handle things differently now. Staff does not spread rumors which will destroy a student's reputation, and especially allegations of homosexuality.
And the Post Office does stuff differently now.
So does the University of California need to change? I am not seeing anyone looking at it this way.
Certainly Elliot Rodger experienced difficulties in life long before he arrived at UC.
And as many are pointing out the Incel Movement and PUA / Anti-PUA movements are primarily misogyny. And then the NRA has become the front piece for the Republican Party by promoting the idea of violent gun based retribution, and Rodger was clearly influenced by this.
And then Rodger never really had much contact with the college women, outside of the belligerent, violent, and criminal acts he initiated against them.
But as the cost of college becomes increasing affordable to less and less, UC becomes more and more culturally narrow.
So while the distress Rodger was experiencing did not originate at UC, I cannot see that any of what was offered at UC in anyway benefited him. I think this needs to be looked at, and that there should be some changes. And of course the worst sort of changes would be expansion of the Mental Health system. Rather, there has to be someway of making the school broader in terms of race and socio-economic class, and also to students of a broader age and life experience range.
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Post by Admin on Feb 11, 2019 23:28:14 GMT
Consider this, if Elliot Roger did not have a father Peter to send his 140 page manifesto to, he would not have done the killings. And it was not just gun killings, he killed the two Chinese roommates and their friend by slitting their throats. SJG Mexico City, has so many people and cars on the streets, that if one is interested in hookers, likely best to find a bar, or you would really have to know that area. doxyspotting.com/?p=70423doxyspotting.com/yellow-dress/doxyspotting.com/?p=129645doxyspotting.com/?p=97293doxyspotting.com/?p=70423doxyspotting.com/?p=88173doxyspotting.com/?p=112750Richard Smoley, Inner Christianity www.youtube.com/watch?v=52xShzP5vugBusiness Law Today, 10th and 11th Edition, Roger LeRoy Miller www.textbooks.com/Fundamentals-of-Business-Law-Today-Summarized-Cases-10th-Edition/9781305075443/Roger-LeRoy-Miller.phpNew, Used, purchase as ebook (pdf) and in libraries |
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