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The Life of Toussaint Louverture
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N4PkXyHss8
That there is some similarity in the thinking underlying Masonry and Marxism is obvious. But I have never seen that Masonry goes that far, usually being something of the Middle-Class and working as an Opiate just like Religion does.
So, what do others say about this?
Marx on Freemasonry
freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/marx_k.html
Why was Karl Marx considered a Freemason?
www.quora.com/Why-was-Karl-Marx-considered-a-Freemason
Nazi Persecution of Freemasonry
www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/ushmm.html
Karl Marx on Freemasonry
gnosticwarrior.com/karl-marx-on-freemasonry.html
Workers' Movement: Marxism against Freemasonry
en.internationalism.org/content/3741/workers-movement-marxism-against-freemasonry
"Combating the bourgeoisie's fascination for the hidden and mysterious, Marx and Engels showed that the proletariat is the enemy of every kind of policy of secrecy and mystification."
"In France, already after 1968, the bourgeoisie was using its "neo- Templar", "Rosicrucian" and "Martinist" sects in order to infiltrate leftist and other groups, in collaboration with the SAC services. For example, Luc Jeuret, the guru of the "Sun Temple" began his career by infiltrating Maoist groups (L 'Ordre du Temple Solaire, from page 145 on)."
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In fact, the following years saw the appearance of organisations of the type used against the proletarian revolution in the 20s. On the extreme right, the Front Europeen de Liberation has revived the "National-bolshevik" tradition. In Germany, the Sozialrevolutionare Arbeiterfront (Social Revolutionary Workers' Front), following its motto "the frontier is not between left and right but between above and below" is specialised in infiltrating different "left wing" movements. The Thule Society has also been refounded as a counter revolutionary secret society[13].
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Left-wing versions of such counter-revolutionary organisations are no less active. In France, for instance, new sects have been established in the tradition of "Martinism", a variant of freemasonry historically specialised in the infiltration and subversion of workers' organisations. Such groups put forward the idea that communism can best be achieved by the manipulations of an enlightened minority. Like other sects, they are specialised in the art of manipulating people.
"
"
More generally, the development of occult sects and esoteric groupings in the past years is not only an expression of the petty bourgeoisie's hopelessness and hysteria at the historic situation, but is encouraged and organised by the state. The role of these sects in inter-imperialist rivalries is known (e.g the use of Scientology by the US bourgeoisie against Germany). But this whole "esoteric" movement is equally part of the bourgeois ideological onslaught against marxism, especially after 1989 with the alleged "death of communism". Historically, it was in face of the rising socialist movement that the European bourgeoisie began to identify with the mystical ideology of freemasonry, especially after the 1848 revolutions. Today, the unbridled hatred of esotericism for materialism and marxism, as well as for the proletarian masses considered "materialistic" and "stupid", is nothing else but the concentrated hatred of the bourgeoisie and parts of the petty bourgeoisie for an undefeated proletariat. Unable itself to offer any historical alternative, the bourgeoisie opposes marxism with the lie that stalinism was communist, but also with the mystical vision that the world can only be "saved" when consciousness and rationality have been replaced by ritual, intuition and hocus-pocus.
In the face of today's decomposition of capitalist society, it is the task of revolutionaries to draw the lessons of the experience of the workers movement against what Lenin called "mysticism as a cloak for counter-revolutionary moods". And it is our task to reappropriate the vigilance of the workers' movement of the past against the manipulations and infiltration of the occult apparatus of the bourgeoisie.
"
**************** The Very Negative View Of Esoteric Groups Which I Would Have Expected From A Marxist Source. And more often than not I think it completely warranted. But does it always have to be that way? ******************************************
staffs.proboards.com/thread/7141
"As a dire hard Socialist, the most interesting part of Freemasonry for me is it's deeply Socialist message. All equal, no class nor caste. Of course, the gender exclusion is nonsense but that is mainly a relic of a patriarchal age."
www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/allende_s/allende_s.html
Salvador Allende, founded Chile's Socialist Party in 1933, Mason
"
Debray: I've always heard that you've had connections with freemasonry and yet you are a Marxist; you know at one time there was a serious dispute within the international workers' movement. For example, in France in the twenties, the freemasons were expelled from the Communist Party, which was then in its infancy. Do you see a contradiction between your supposed connections with freemasonry and your Marxist position, your class position?
Allende: First, Régis, let me remind you that the first Secretary Général of the French Communist Party was a freemason.
Debray: Yes, yes ...
Allende: And that it was only by the time of the Third International that incompatibility between the two movements was established.
Debray: Yes.
Allende: Now, from a personal point of view, I have a masonic background. My grandfather, Dr Allende Padin was a Most Serene Grand Master of the Masonic Order in the nineteenth century, when being a freemason meant being involved in a struggle. The Masonic Lodges and the Lautaro Lodges were the corner stone of independence and the struggle against Spain.
Debray: Bolivar and Sucre were freemasons.
Allende: Exactly. So you can understand perfectly well that, with this kind of family tradition, and again, since the masonic movement fought for fundamental principles like Liberty, Equality and Fraternity, one can viably have such connections. Now I have maintained within the masonic movement that there cannot be equality in the capitalist régime, not even equality of opportunity, of course; that there cannot be fraternity while there is class exploitation, and that true liberty is a concrete and not an abstract notion. So you see I interpret the principles of freemasonry according to their true content. Now, I know perfectly well that there are countries where freemasonry could not be considered consistent with these principles.
"
And guys are posting this stuff while being told that politics is verboten on the Masonic Message Board and in the Masonic Lodges.
"Freemasonry has not, by any stretch of the imagination, been largely associated with the Left. Yes, many of the smaller European Grand Orients and Grand Lodges to take a strong humanist stance, but lets be honest- the bigger, more important Grand Lodges are populated by men who mainly have a particular attachment to the current, capitalist, system. Having experienced Freemasonry on four continents, its not a hotbed of Socialist reform."
Why Do Freemasons Like Pope Francis So Much?
culturalmarxism.net/why-does-freemasonry-openly-support-pope-francis/
Were Marx, Lenin, or Trotsky Freemasons?
forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=253073.0
Communism and Freemasonry ( seems to be an anti-freemasonry board )
freemasonrywatch.org/communism.html
from above, "Some Objections to Socialism"
www.hiddenmysteries.com/xcart/Some-Objections-to-Socialism.html
Communism and Freemasonry
en.metapedia.org/wiki/Communism_and_Freemasonry
Masonic Links
freemasonry.bcy.ca/links/masonsites.html
more
freemasonry.bcy.ca/links/lodges.html
Salvador Allende
www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/allende_s/allende_s.html
Universal Co-Masonry, books
www.universalfreemasonry.org/en/masonic-library
My conclusion, most always freemasonry is a bourgeoisie affair. But built into its core ideas is still the potential for revolution. And we see this surfacing in how they supported the French Revolution. And then we see more of this in how Le Droit Humaine broke away, and then Universal Co-Masonry in the US broke away from that. So it is easy to break away, just get a few Masons, I guess 33rd Degree, and then you can form your own.
Robin Trower - Full Concert - Rockpalast Crossroads, Bonn - 2005
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmoMb0gNFrA
Floyd, ELP, YES, Genesis K Crimson- 70's Classic ProgRock
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSpoXtRLyA4
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N4PkXyHss8
That there is some similarity in the thinking underlying Masonry and Marxism is obvious. But I have never seen that Masonry goes that far, usually being something of the Middle-Class and working as an Opiate just like Religion does.
So, what do others say about this?
Marx on Freemasonry
freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/marx_k.html
Why was Karl Marx considered a Freemason?
www.quora.com/Why-was-Karl-Marx-considered-a-Freemason
Nazi Persecution of Freemasonry
www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/ushmm.html
Karl Marx on Freemasonry
gnosticwarrior.com/karl-marx-on-freemasonry.html
Workers' Movement: Marxism against Freemasonry
en.internationalism.org/content/3741/workers-movement-marxism-against-freemasonry
"Combating the bourgeoisie's fascination for the hidden and mysterious, Marx and Engels showed that the proletariat is the enemy of every kind of policy of secrecy and mystification."
"In France, already after 1968, the bourgeoisie was using its "neo- Templar", "Rosicrucian" and "Martinist" sects in order to infiltrate leftist and other groups, in collaboration with the SAC services. For example, Luc Jeuret, the guru of the "Sun Temple" began his career by infiltrating Maoist groups (L 'Ordre du Temple Solaire, from page 145 on)."
"
In fact, the following years saw the appearance of organisations of the type used against the proletarian revolution in the 20s. On the extreme right, the Front Europeen de Liberation has revived the "National-bolshevik" tradition. In Germany, the Sozialrevolutionare Arbeiterfront (Social Revolutionary Workers' Front), following its motto "the frontier is not between left and right but between above and below" is specialised in infiltrating different "left wing" movements. The Thule Society has also been refounded as a counter revolutionary secret society[13].
"
"
Left-wing versions of such counter-revolutionary organisations are no less active. In France, for instance, new sects have been established in the tradition of "Martinism", a variant of freemasonry historically specialised in the infiltration and subversion of workers' organisations. Such groups put forward the idea that communism can best be achieved by the manipulations of an enlightened minority. Like other sects, they are specialised in the art of manipulating people.
"
"
More generally, the development of occult sects and esoteric groupings in the past years is not only an expression of the petty bourgeoisie's hopelessness and hysteria at the historic situation, but is encouraged and organised by the state. The role of these sects in inter-imperialist rivalries is known (e.g the use of Scientology by the US bourgeoisie against Germany). But this whole "esoteric" movement is equally part of the bourgeois ideological onslaught against marxism, especially after 1989 with the alleged "death of communism". Historically, it was in face of the rising socialist movement that the European bourgeoisie began to identify with the mystical ideology of freemasonry, especially after the 1848 revolutions. Today, the unbridled hatred of esotericism for materialism and marxism, as well as for the proletarian masses considered "materialistic" and "stupid", is nothing else but the concentrated hatred of the bourgeoisie and parts of the petty bourgeoisie for an undefeated proletariat. Unable itself to offer any historical alternative, the bourgeoisie opposes marxism with the lie that stalinism was communist, but also with the mystical vision that the world can only be "saved" when consciousness and rationality have been replaced by ritual, intuition and hocus-pocus.
In the face of today's decomposition of capitalist society, it is the task of revolutionaries to draw the lessons of the experience of the workers movement against what Lenin called "mysticism as a cloak for counter-revolutionary moods". And it is our task to reappropriate the vigilance of the workers' movement of the past against the manipulations and infiltration of the occult apparatus of the bourgeoisie.
"
**************** The Very Negative View Of Esoteric Groups Which I Would Have Expected From A Marxist Source. And more often than not I think it completely warranted. But does it always have to be that way? ******************************************
staffs.proboards.com/thread/7141
"As a dire hard Socialist, the most interesting part of Freemasonry for me is it's deeply Socialist message. All equal, no class nor caste. Of course, the gender exclusion is nonsense but that is mainly a relic of a patriarchal age."
www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/allende_s/allende_s.html
Salvador Allende, founded Chile's Socialist Party in 1933, Mason
"
Debray: I've always heard that you've had connections with freemasonry and yet you are a Marxist; you know at one time there was a serious dispute within the international workers' movement. For example, in France in the twenties, the freemasons were expelled from the Communist Party, which was then in its infancy. Do you see a contradiction between your supposed connections with freemasonry and your Marxist position, your class position?
Allende: First, Régis, let me remind you that the first Secretary Général of the French Communist Party was a freemason.
Debray: Yes, yes ...
Allende: And that it was only by the time of the Third International that incompatibility between the two movements was established.
Debray: Yes.
Allende: Now, from a personal point of view, I have a masonic background. My grandfather, Dr Allende Padin was a Most Serene Grand Master of the Masonic Order in the nineteenth century, when being a freemason meant being involved in a struggle. The Masonic Lodges and the Lautaro Lodges were the corner stone of independence and the struggle against Spain.
Debray: Bolivar and Sucre were freemasons.
Allende: Exactly. So you can understand perfectly well that, with this kind of family tradition, and again, since the masonic movement fought for fundamental principles like Liberty, Equality and Fraternity, one can viably have such connections. Now I have maintained within the masonic movement that there cannot be equality in the capitalist régime, not even equality of opportunity, of course; that there cannot be fraternity while there is class exploitation, and that true liberty is a concrete and not an abstract notion. So you see I interpret the principles of freemasonry according to their true content. Now, I know perfectly well that there are countries where freemasonry could not be considered consistent with these principles.
"
And guys are posting this stuff while being told that politics is verboten on the Masonic Message Board and in the Masonic Lodges.
"Freemasonry has not, by any stretch of the imagination, been largely associated with the Left. Yes, many of the smaller European Grand Orients and Grand Lodges to take a strong humanist stance, but lets be honest- the bigger, more important Grand Lodges are populated by men who mainly have a particular attachment to the current, capitalist, system. Having experienced Freemasonry on four continents, its not a hotbed of Socialist reform."
Why Do Freemasons Like Pope Francis So Much?
culturalmarxism.net/why-does-freemasonry-openly-support-pope-francis/
Were Marx, Lenin, or Trotsky Freemasons?
forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=253073.0
Communism and Freemasonry ( seems to be an anti-freemasonry board )
freemasonrywatch.org/communism.html
from above, "Some Objections to Socialism"
www.hiddenmysteries.com/xcart/Some-Objections-to-Socialism.html
Communism and Freemasonry
en.metapedia.org/wiki/Communism_and_Freemasonry
Masonic Links
freemasonry.bcy.ca/links/masonsites.html
more
freemasonry.bcy.ca/links/lodges.html
Salvador Allende
www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/allende_s/allende_s.html
Universal Co-Masonry, books
www.universalfreemasonry.org/en/masonic-library
My conclusion, most always freemasonry is a bourgeoisie affair. But built into its core ideas is still the potential for revolution. And we see this surfacing in how they supported the French Revolution. And then we see more of this in how Le Droit Humaine broke away, and then Universal Co-Masonry in the US broke away from that. So it is easy to break away, just get a few Masons, I guess 33rd Degree, and then you can form your own.
Robin Trower - Full Concert - Rockpalast Crossroads, Bonn - 2005
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmoMb0gNFrA
Floyd, ELP, YES, Genesis K Crimson- 70's Classic ProgRock
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSpoXtRLyA4